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carefree



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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2007 07:07    Post subject: The real money isnt in affiliate programs - its here.... Reply with quote

Having started my first TGP over a year ago now ive made alot of discoveries.

One that will help people finally start making some money.

The suggustions here are only my opinion (Proven opinions Cool I might add) and will give you some hope into the world of free site ownership.

This is only relevant if your conversion ratios are 1:1000 or worse:

1. Forget about "trying" to convert traffic for your sponsers and take a different approach. By all means add your sposors links and thumbs to your site as you normally would..in fact without them you wont have a site.

2. Ok instead of trying to convert surfers into members, focus on building your traffic to 5K+ ( this is a good start and more substainable in the long run) if youve only just got to 5K per day watch it at least 1 week to make sure theres no major fluctuations.

3. Next sign up for a free traffic account with Traffic Holder. Personally I sell 20% of my traffic (on each site) leaving more than enough for trades and free gallery content.

Generally they pay $3 per 1K of traffic - more if youve got HQ traffic sources, and keep in mind this is for RAW hits not uniques. I know $3 bucks per 1K of RAW traffic dosent sound much but lets work it out..:

At a minimum your site is selling 1K traffic per day:

$3/1K = $3 per day (duh! Wink ) OR $1095.00 Per year - Excited yet?...No?..me niether!

Ok lets say you build your trades a little more over the next month and get a substainable 15K Traffic per day:

$3/1K = $9 per day OR $3285.00 Per year - Ok now were making some money.

Lets take it one step further and create a site that gets a substainable traffic flow of 50K per day (quite achieveable within a 6 month period)

$3/1K = $30 per day OR $10,950.00 Per year - and thats pure profit! Of course the trick is to start up 5 or more sites at once hence multiplying your profits

BUT hold on! what happens if you do nothing else?... Yep you still get paid!! This is a great example of royalty income.

Well thats it... thought i would share that - hope it helps someone out there Smile
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max



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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2007 08:53    Post subject: Traffic survey Reply with quote

nice survey, carefree! really interesting thoughts.

the only barrier i found is the difficulty to make 50k site in the current competition.
Another problem is productivity: if you have lets say 5k site and sell 20% (1k) to a traffic brocker. You have skimming on your site, lets say skim= 60% (pretty low for a quality tgp, but anyway). Even if we'll not take into account first click to gallery (quite popular option nowdays), we got this:

((5k*10/4)+1k)/5k*100%=270% prod

This means every 10 surfers should click 27 times to keep your trade going in calculated amount. I think it is a very good productivity for ordinary tgp/mgp.
Just my thoughts...
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carefree



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PostPosted: 19 Oct 2007 09:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the only barrier i found is the difficulty to make 50k site in the current competition.


I can understand where your comming from. To begin with DONT make a 50K site...make a 5K site then a 10K site then a 15K site..etc etc This will keep you focused and on track. Just tell yourself youll set up enough trades this month to get to 5K then thats it. Then next month set up enough trades to get you to 10K...etc etc.

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Another problem is productivity: if you have lets say 5k site and sell 20% (1k) to a traffic brocker. You have skimming on your site, lets say skim= 60% (pretty low for a quality tgp, but anyway). Even if we'll not take into account first click to gallery (quite popular option nowdays), we got this:

((5k*10/4)+1k)/5k*100%=270% prod

This means every 10 surfers should click 27 times to keep your trade going in calculated amount. I think it is a very good productivity for ordinary tgp/mgp.
Just my thoughts...


You can use your trade script for this but follow the following for complete control:

The solution is NOT to use a trade script. I personally coded my overall site skim providing me with absolute control..

Heres and example, check this page out youll see the url when you hover over a thumb:

http://www.freexxxhunters.com

The url will look something like:

http://www.freexxxhunters.com/click.php..etc etc

So the surfer clicks on a thumb.....it gets processed by the click.php script....if not sold or skim is over 20% for sold traffic it gets passed on into the trades or galleries.

But if you dont want to do this - using your trade script is good enough.

If you would like a click.php script you can get someone from scriptlance to code it for you and integrate it into your site for about 20-30 bucks Cool
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paninero



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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2007 22:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I think that this is a good point, I have made more this year from traffic than I have from affiliate sales, but I would like to point out that might be a symptom of the site, and not of the potential, and that not making a focus on finding out why your site is not converting is kind of a waste. Right now my conversions are increasing quite well since I made many changes.

If you want to skim, here is my method. I use smart thumbs, so I will explain it that way. I create a special group, and I pick 25 or so of my hottest average thumbs, and I move then into that special group. Then I change the thumb gallery URL to my traffic holder url.

The next is to decide how many thumbs you want to switch out in your template, and I go 8%-10% usually. If I had 100 thumbs that means I am going to switch out 10 thumbs. Then I take openoffice, and generate a random number from o to say 100 the number of thumbs on my site, 10 times, to make sure I don't skew the design, and I mark those 10 thumbs in a template so I don't get lost using a spreadsheet where I use a cell to represent the cell, and then number the cells.

Then I place a link for that special group in the place that I want the traffic skim to be, and move the link forward as not to screw up the template system.

Now, I have watched my sites when I turn this on, and there is no substantial change in my sites, but I do increase gallery skim 5%, and I can sell traffic. How does it affect conversions, well it does not seem to. I get alot of repeat traffic.
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paninero



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PostPosted: 20 Oct 2007 23:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I have been mending to do it since i made my changes anyway, so I just redesigned my template for rasputinporn.com, with 6 leech pics, which is 8% of my 80 I have.

So since I have not been sending traffic for a few days, it will give me a baseline on about 5K per day, my site is running 148% right now, and about 4151 to gallery. So I expect about 300 per day, or 9300 per month, and they buy 80% from that site, at 2.79 per K roughly, so that is about $22 a month leech, and really does not affect the dynamics of the site that much.

I will post back in a day as a test case.
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max



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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 12:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

paninero wrote:
Now, I have watched my sites when I turn this on, and there is no substantial change in my sites, but I do increase gallery skim 5%, and I can sell traffic. How does it affect conversions, well it does not seem to. I get alot of repeat traffic.


if you cut off traffic for a traffic broker and increase your skim also, then it rather affect your trade. Nothing goes traceless... Besides you said you pick the best thumbs for this purpose, so probably most traffic goes thru this set.
Nice scheme for traffic selling anyway!
Btw, comus have built-in traffic buy/sell system based on gallery sets. Didn't try it yet, but i should...
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max



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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 13:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

carefree wrote:
The solution is NOT to use a trade script. I personally coded my overall site skim providing me with absolute control..


no matter what way you use, either trade script or click.php script, they all serve for a one purpose - distribute clicks by predefined rules, so the way is common, but the math... anyway, good prod wouldn't be a bad thing as well as good traffic amount. So i see both ways are necessary and worth to be followed.
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paninero



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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 16:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you use PHP but at what cost. Scale that out to a 100K a day site and what do you get, fine at 10K, but regardless it put a load on your server.

My method, which really I was told how to do by someone else on a forum, has no impact on the server, and in fact less.
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blackout



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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 23:07    Post subject: Re: The real money isnt in affiliate programs - its here.... Reply with quote

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Lets take it one step further and create a site that gets a substainable traffic flow of 50K per day (quite achieveable within a 6 month period)


You guys make it sound so easy... according to Protect X, my site has been up for 3 years, 83 days, and its only making less than 5k/day in traffic. and my ratios are horrible...

Yet, my best referrer is google sending me between 300 and 500 hits a day, with obviously awesome productivity.

I don't know... I lost my self somewhere... I would seriously pay someone to just tell me how to build up my trades that much, that fast...

I JUST DON'T GET IT! But I'm not giving up either.
-Mark aka Blackout
http://www.blackoutsteens.com
http://www.teenyreview.com
http://www.teenyvault.com

just a few of my sites...
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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 23:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you use any feeder traffic, consider feeding it 5K a day and working it up, and if you do your trades right it should sustain. At least that is what I am working towards, a site that runs 175 -250 and then feed it for a month.

Also I took a peek at your site, and I can see why you are making good google hits. But for me I think you need more photos and then shove the links down more, instead of intermixing them. For me, there is just not enough to capture my interest, nice site designs though.
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blackout



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PostPosted: 22 Oct 2007 23:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

paninero wrote:
Do you use any feeder traffic, consider feeding it 5K a day and working it up, and if you do your trades right it should sustain. At least that is what I am working towards, a site that runs 175 -250 and then feed it for a month.


I have used Feeder Traffic, but the results never seem to be too great.

I've used Traffic-Out and Traffic Holder. When the traffic runs out, the trades do not sustain. But the traffic from both was good traffic.
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2007 09:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

paninero wrote:
Sure you use PHP but at what cost. Scale that out to a 100K a day site and what do you get, fine at 10K, but regardless it put a load on your server.


if it was directed to me, i can't even approach this amount:(
good content management (hence conversion rates) is preferable as to much lower server load for sure
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2007 18:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok here are the result of moving to a small traffic skim in my templates. In fact right now my prod is higher then when I did the changes.

Two sites, rasputinporn.com and moonnudez.com have the skim.

ACTUAL NUMBERS
5000 IN per day at 166% prod
608 sent to traffic broker from template gallery leech
12% Leech

That translates into $1.25 USD per day, @ approx. $2.80/1000 without affecting site productivity.

The unknown of course it the random chance a person visiting the free galleries did not sign up, cause they were sent away elsewhere just when they were ready to.

So if a site was generating 50K in per day that would translate into $380 per month without causing any major disruptions.

Why why mess with the overhead of a script if a random template leech does what you want is my opinion.
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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2007 19:37    Post subject: FREE PHP TRAFFIC SPLITTER CODE Reply with quote

Here is the traffic splitter I use.
It's old but it works and it's fast.
Save it as a php file named split.php.
Upload it to your server.
Run your links through it.
90 percent go to gallery 10 percent go the the urls you enter in the script.(you can change the skim)
Example: http://yoursite.com/split.php?http://yourlink.com/example.html
For Smart Thumbs I put /split.php?http://mysite.com in front of what's normally there.
You can monkey around with it to fit into trade scripts as well.
Also in Smart Thumbs it only seems to work with encoded urls.

IF YOU USE THIS SCRIPT TEST IT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS OR YOUR SITE WILL BE FUCKED

Code:
<?php

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
//
//            Traffic Splitter 1.0
//               --------------------   
//           A script by SmarterScripts.com
//
//  TERMS OF USE:
//  This is a free script, if anyone sold it to you please contact us
//  at the following e-mail address: webmaster@smarterscripts.com
//
//    (c) copyright 2003 R3N3 Internet Services & SmarterScripts.com
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


//  Define Split Urls:
//  You can define as many or as little (minimum one) urls as you want.
//  To add another url simply add the line:
//  $split_url[] = "http://www.someurl.com";
//  under the last '$split_url[] = "....' value.
//  Removing urls is just as easy, just delete the entire line.

$split_url[] = "http://www.zacksfreeporn.com";

//  Default Split Percentage
//  If the defualt is set to 90 than 90 percent of the time the script
//  will redirect to actual url (which is defined in the url itself)
//  and the other 10 percent of the time it redirect to a random url
//  predefined above. This value can be over-riden by adding a
//  &p=[some value]  to the end of the split.php url where [some value]
//  is any number between 1 and 99.

$d_p =90;

//
//  DO NOT EDIT BELOW!
//

if (!$HTTP_GET_VARS["u"]) { $url = $_SERVER["QUERY_STRING"]; } else { $url = $HTTP_GET_VARS["u"]; }
$percentage = $HTTP_GET_VARS["p"];
$total_urls = count($split_url) - 1;

mt_srand ((double) microtime() * 1000000);
$rand_url_val = mt_rand(0,$total_urls);
$rand_split_val = mt_rand(1,100);

if(!$percentage or !ereg("^([0-9]{1,2})$", $percentage)) { $percentage = $d_p; }
if(!$url) { $url = $split_url[$rand_url_val]; }
if($percentage >= $rand_split_val) { header("Location: $url"); } else { header("Location: $split_url[$rand_url_val]"); }

?>

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PostPosted: 23 Oct 2007 22:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

As with any site, you have to optimize it to get the most out of it
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