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PostPosted: 10 Jan 2007 02:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Protect-x,

From what you say i understand that the system will do most of the work automatically. That's fine, less work for us, hehehe.
You also say that the include will blend in the design of the page. The main points here are the links size and color, and the formatting of the list.
You should be aware that link size less that 2pt and hidden text (black on black or blue on blue) are irrelevant or penalized by se.
Therefore, to be effective the list should be visible on any background.
Which raises the issue of the formatting of the list.
Most sites list hardlinks as a continuous string (link1 link2 linkN) near the bottom of the page, and that would be fine. But suppose one would rather want to fill in the left/right column of a page. Then one should at least be able to format the list as (link1<BR>link2<BR>linkN<BR>).
I believe you already figured everything out, just wanted to present some suggestions to help make this thing as effective as possible Wink

Finally a couple of questions.
I suppose the system will take care of link checking (if one removes my link, then my linkback will be dropped, right).
And to get very sophisticated, would it be possible to implement and maintain an A->B->C system? (most effective hardlink structure)

Guess that's enough for one day, and keep up the good work Wink

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PostPosted: 10 Jan 2007 03:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 questions from me, as a TGP/CJ owner,

#1. Will we really be able to get 1,000 hardlinks? Is this really possible?

#2. It is the script going to keep track of each site's PR?

#3. So it is going to be a thing where for example, someone submits some sites to me for hard links, and I have to manually approve each one, or is it going to be all automatically approved and hard link placed immediately?

In my personal opinion, everything has to be done immediately, without approvals, etc. Because this way the process will speed up by 100 times. Making it the most fast process ever to get hard links. However the script should keep track of PR, for example, if i want hard links with PR1+ , I can choose "allow only PR1+". For those who want it, for example, they can choose manual approval.

So what I'm saying is: there should be 2 options : manual vs automatic. The person should be able to choose. Also, even if the person chooses "automatic", he should be able to login into his account and remove the hard links he doesn't like (the appropriate hard link on the other side would be automatically deleted also in this case).

I really hope you people take the time to read this post. If you got to the bottom of this post, thank you.
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PostPosted: 10 Jan 2007 21:03    Post subject: Protect-X HardLink Exchange Reply with quote

I like the Hardlinks Idea from Protect-X i add it to all my sites Smile)
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PostPosted: 11 Jan 2007 10:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobull wrote:

You also say that the include will blend in the design of the page. The main points here are the links size and color, and the formatting of the list.
You should be aware that link size less that 2pt and hidden text (black on black or blue on blue) are irrelevant or penalized by se.
Therefore, to be effective the list should be visible on any background.
Which raises the issue of the formatting of the list.

Most sites list hardlinks as a continuous string (link1 link2 linkN) near the bottom of the page, and that would be fine. But suppose one would rather want to fill in the left/right column of a page. Then one should at least be able to format the list as (link1<BR>link2<BR>linkN<BR>).

And to get very sophisticated, would it be possible to implement and maintain an A->B->C system? (most effective hardlink structure)


About HL include:
Script will analyze the format of the page where it have been placed and choose the most presentable format (font color, size and other). Of course it will not hide HL.

About string or column format:
Thank you for advice! We should take it into account when making HL script.

About A->B->C:
Can you tell me more about this structure. Shame on me, but i don't know what are you talking about:)

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PostPosted: 11 Jan 2007 11:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

fatfoo wrote:
3 questions from me, as a TGP/CJ owner,

#1. Will we really be able to get 1,000 hardlinks? Is this really possible?

#2. It is the script going to keep track of each site's PR?

#3. So it is going to be a thing where for example, someone submits some sites to me for hard links, and I have to manually approve each one, or is it going to be all automatically approved and hard link placed immediately?

In my personal opinion, everything has to be done immediately, without approvals, etc. Because this way the process will speed up by 100 times. Making it the most fast process ever to get hard links. However the script should keep track of PR, for example, if i want hard links with PR1+ , I can choose "allow only PR1+". For those who want it, for example, they can choose manual approval.

So what I'm saying is: there should be 2 options : manual vs automatic. The person should be able to choose. Also, even if the person chooses "automatic", he should be able to login into his account and remove the hard links he doesn't like (the appropriate hard link on the other side would be automatically deleted also in this case).

I really hope you people take the time to read this post. If you got to the bottom of this post, thank you.


#1:
It is our idea. We'll try to realize it. But we think it is possible. Otherwise we wouldn't consider this idea.
#2:
Good idea! We'll think about it.
#3:
You'll be able to choose between auto and manual method of submitting.
And we'll also think about PR as a parameter.
Of course you'll be able to edit HL manually even if you chose automatic mode.
When you delete any HL, opposite link is deleting automatically because you show that you don't want to exchange links.


Please write here all the ideas, propositions and wishes about Hard Link Exchange script.

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PostPosted: 11 Jan 2007 15:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

would be cool to have a script that separated sites by pr value, then when you add your link, it gets put in the right place and is shared with other sites of the same pr via a php include. So you add your link, then you get links that are dynamic depending on the pr value
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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 03:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Protect-x:

***quote on A->B->C link structure:
Many experts feel reciprocal links are losing value because the search engines can identify the "one link in, one link out" link structure of a website so the search engines are giving more weight to one way links.
Solution : you link your website to site A, site A links to site B and finally site B links to your site C.
***end quote

Further readings:

http://www.nexusion.com/article.html?id=18772&p=240

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3096759.htm
Note comment about *natural* linking versus a sudden bunch of 10-20 links appearing suddendly on a website.

Finally, for some ideas of desirable features that a link organizer software should have, you can check out this product:
http://lo.cheapestwebsoftware.com/

Keep up the good work Wink

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 09:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

vendzilla wrote:
would be cool to have a script that separated sites by pr value, then when you add your link, it gets put in the right place and is shared with other sites of the same pr via a php include. So you add your link, then you get links that are dynamic depending on the pr value


As I understand you'll get links with the same PR only. But if you want to have HL with the higher PR than yours? I think script must have manual submitting function in this case.
Question to all:
What do you think about sorting of HL by PR, Google Rank, Alexa, Protect-X Rank etc? Then links that have higher ranks will be placed higher in the link list. And lower rank links will be in the bottom or even deleted (if the number of links is limited).

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 09:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobull wrote:
Hi Protect-x:

***quote on A->B->C link structure:
Many experts feel reciprocal links are losing value because the search engines can identify the "one link in, one link out" link structure of a website so the search engines are giving more weight to one way links.
Solution : you link your website to site A, site A links to site B and finally site B links to your site C.
***end quote

Further readings:

http://www.nexusion.com/article.html?id=18772&p=240

http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3096759.htm
Note comment about *natural* linking versus a sudden bunch of 10-20 links appearing suddendly on a website.

Finally, for some ideas of desirable features that a link organizer software should have, you can check out this product:
http://lo.cheapestwebsoftware.com/

Keep up the good work Wink


Many thanks! Very useful info.
A-B-C structure is interesting idea. I'll talk to our developers with proposition to add it into the script.
It is easy to realise with the equal rank sites. But i think it hard to calculate this structure for different rank sites. Especially if each site have tens or even hundreds of such links. What do you think about this?

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 19:02    Post subject: Sorry for dumb question Reply with quote

Hi all,

Before you laugh at this question, sorry to all.

I have not used a dynamically generated link table before, except the one used to generate the toplist for the TGP pages.

Will the search engine bots be able to see those links exchanged and generated using this method, same as the hardlink code as I currently manually added to my page each time a link is exchanged?

Thanks in advance,
TrulyMadly

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 19:22    Post subject: Re: Sorry for dumb question Reply with quote

trulymadly wrote:
Hi all,

Before you laugh at this question, sorry to all.

I have not used a dynamically generated link table before, except the one used to generate the toplist for the TGP pages.

Will the search engine bots be able to see those links exchanged and generated using this method, same as the hardlink code as I currently manually added to my page each time a link is exchanged?

Thanks in advance,
TrulyMadly

Yes, the Search Engines will see your links

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PostPosted: 12 Jan 2007 19:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Smile
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