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max
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| All are listed on CH. Also found in protectx cheaters database. |
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xwild
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2007 15:02 Post subject: |
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| thank you Max for the info. |
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rhino
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2007 18:39 Post subject: |
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If you're getting the same redirects on both nudeswishes and mpegsarena.com and reallycurves.com and videosfarmer.com, I think the mystery of who/where joker.com came from as far as a registrar (and who's really behind it) is solved.
Cheaters tend to change/add new domain names rather frequently, but keep the same general site designs and redirect sponsors... now it looks like they are relocating servers and changing registrars. 
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max
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2007 10:24 Post subject: |
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| Just curious is it possible for registrar to reject a service for particular domain(person/company) due to cheating? How can they check while not having trade sites? |
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rhino
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2007 17:31 Post subject: |
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| max wrote: | | Just curious is it possible for registrar to reject a service for particular domain(person/company) due to cheating? How can they check while not having trade sites? |
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Problem is in how you define cheating... a registrar is best equated to a used car salesman or ambulance chasing lawyer, and while they certainly aren't what we'd call savory, they have their place in the scheme of things.
As long as the registrar has the ICANN accredition (and joker.com unfortunately IS ON THE LIST OF ACCREDITED REGISTRARS - http://www.icann.org/registrars/accredited-list.html as "CSL Computer Service Langenbach GmbH d/b/a joker.com" for .asia, .biz, .com, .info, .name, .net, .org, .pro TLDs) it's a problem for anyone that trades traffic as the cheating the joker.com registrar will be concerned about is false registration info and nonpayment of fees... little else. Unfortunately EXACTLY the same scenario that we've faced with traffic cheaters registered through estdomains.com.
No secret that the migration was expected as more traders refused to trade with anyone connected to the estdomains network... just personally a surprise that it happened as quickly as it did. Real problem (IMO) is not only have they started to move, their traffic cheating methods have improved to the point that they are able to fool several of the common trade scripts... your stats look good, but you're still getting fucked.
Unfortunately it's the newbies at the greatest risk - they don't have the $$ available for the high-end trade scripts, and just can't understand that they "might" have a problem with their #1 trade sending +10X the amount of traffic as their #2 trade. Usually the first clue they get is when their other trade partners start killing their trades and they realize that while their site is showing high raws, it's at <50% productivity. Final clue is when they kill the bad trade but forget to block further traffic in, and see their notrade go through the roof and wind up blacklisted by any trade partner(s) still standing.
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Verbal
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More bad TGP's found!
Basically all the trades with this guy look like they go to same fake TGP's with trojan virus warnings: sexy-porn-stars.com
It's hit or miss though - sometimes you get the real TGP and sometimes you get the virus thumbnail landing page that looks like the screenshots I posted earlier
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max
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2007 15:15 Post subject: |
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| rhino wrote: | | Problem is in how you define cheating... |
That's what i'm talking about. If they don't have trading sites (i guess they don't) they can't reject service for cheaters. Hence cheaters migration could kill one registrar after another (i mean 'kill' for trading community). 
| rhino wrote: | | it's a problem for anyone that trades traffic as the cheating the joker.com registrar will be concerned about is false registration info and nonpayment of fees |
what do you mean? |
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rhino
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2007 17:31 Post subject: |
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| max wrote: | | rhino wrote: | | Problem is in how you define cheating... |
That's what i'm talking about. If they don't have trading sites (i guess they don't) they can't reject service for cheaters. Hence cheaters migration could kill one registrar after another (i mean 'kill' for trading community).
| rhino wrote: | | it's a problem for anyone that trades traffic as the cheating the joker.com registrar will be concerned about is false registration info and nonpayment of fees |
what do you mean? |
Killing a Registrar for the trading community is exactly what is happening/has happened with the estdomains.com Registrar - guilt by association. Many in the trader community refuse to trade with domains registered through estdomains, so the organized and well funded traffic cheaters are moving on to new/other Registrars.
As for cheating from the Registrar's point of view, they have to follow the ICANN rules to maintain their accredation. Providing false domain ownership info would be a form of cheating to them, as would nonpayment of fees, but they wouldn't care about what individual domain owners do with their traffic or what sponsors are used on domains registered through their service.
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max
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| Posted: 17 Aug 2007 11:29 Post subject: |
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| rhino wrote: | | Providing false domain ownership info would be a form of cheating to them |
it is a complex task for registrar to check owner details. Registrar could support only info that match billing data (like many online stores do for a shipping). I think it could partly solve a problem. |
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jack
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| Posted: 15 Nov 2007 23:51 Post subject: Answer about this tgp ? |
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To Verbal
I read some topic in forum and there was link on your topic , i see it was posted before few months , but can you tell me something about :
sexy-porn-stars.com
it's cheater?
| Verbal wrote: | More bad TGP's found!
Basically all the trades with this guy look like they go to same fake TGP's with trojan virus warnings: sexy-porn-stars.com
It's hit or miss though - sometimes you get the real TGP and sometimes you get the virus thumbnail landing page that looks like the screenshots I posted earlier
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