[sk1pp]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone on the board. New to this industry, trying to finish up my first TGP. "ANY" feedback is welcome.

http://sucker4feet.com/


Been reading info from various places for a little while now. Just finished up the bulk of the design work for my site, and have a few things I need to understand to finalize things.

I first would like any reviews of the site. Anything that can be improved upon or added to improve the site. What I plan to add are a few advertisements (no set locations/placement, any advice?) and links when I start building them up.

Secondly, I am new to the entire adult industry, but do plan to get deep into it as a webmaster/designer. This will be the first community I've joined, any resources would be helpful.

The main thing I need help with is the whole building traffic and trading. Been reading quite a bit of info on the subject, and feel I have a good understanding on how to tackle it. I guess the main thing is a little fear, don't want my new site to have problems because it is a new site. From my understanding it would probably be wiser to submit my site to some lists first and wait until I get a small bit of traffic before doing any trading. What are some good list to post to, and where is the best places to find trades. (I am aware of findtrades.com)

This will be the first day I have the gallery up, as the index page so there is no current traffic data to base a plan around. Should I submit my page to search engines and the like first, and how long should I wait to see what numbers I have to play with when I do.

The last things for now. Do I have to have an adult content warning on a TGP? And where can I find a good "bookmark now" script. I plan on adding a bookmark link at the bottom of the thumb framing in the empty space in the middle.

Thankyou and I look forward to participating on this board,
-Skipp

[trulymadly]

Welcome, and welcome to the mad world of adult webmaster

Like your design and colour too, but if you have time, do try to insert some toplist blocks in between the gallery blocks. I think it works better. Oh and if you can, centre the page cause its shifted to the left on a widescreen monitor at the moment.

I am not expert in traffic trading so I will leave it to the expert here to give you advise. You can find trade in Protect-X too. But I must add, it was better before and it seems the trader list information is not up to date.

How long does it take SE to index you depends on how popular is your link and the number of pages you have. Of course you can let the script built archive pages, but remember, every page count so even warning page, webmaster page etc etc can also be used for SEO. I think its wise to put up warning page if you are not sure, just remember to tell your traders to point to your gallery page and not warning page.

You can just do a search on Poodle for bookmark script, its only one line of Javascript.

[sk1pp]

Thank you for your reply trulymadly. Answered a lot of questions. I feared there may be some browser issues, what web browser are you using that has the page not centered. I've been working on a mac, and I don't have IE, forgot to test the page on a pc.

I do like the ideas you have suggested and will try to implement them as soon as possible.

Again thanks!

[sk1pp]

Since most of my questions were answered by trulymadly, I have a more specific question now.

I am ready to jump into trading traffic, but is that possible so soon for me right now. I am not receiving any traffic right now, so I am afraid to sign up with a trader and not be able to provide them any traffic back. Its possible that I am not fully understanding how it works, but it looks like I need an average per hour to start with, so that I can force to new trades...but I don't have that initial traffic.

So for an fresh new site, what steps can be taken to get even a small flow of traffic coming in?

-Skipp

[dolphix]

You can buy some traffic to start u'r site ...

[sk1pp]

Thanks Dolphix, that was considered but I don't know if that is the first thing I should do or not. Any suggestions on who would send some quality traffic?

Don't want my site to be good from the bought traffic and when its used up I'm in the same situation. But, I guess that would depend on being on top of the traffic and making sure my trades are set up right.

That will be my aim then, don't have much money to spare right now lol.

Thanks agian

[trulymadly]

Hmm, seems like all the traffic trading experts in this forum is on holiday so I will just say what I think, you however is still best to get a second opinion though, lol.

To start a TGP site, you need to buy traffic ( what people call feeder traffic ), or somehow you have to find a way to get traffic whether its via the small amount you receive from link trade or SE. Without the initial traffic its hard or it will take a long time to climb the hill. Traffic can be expensive or cheap, depends on what your goal is.

Lets say, if you want your traffic to climb fast the cost will be more expensive. On the other hand if you are willing to work hard and have patience then start small and work your way up. Don't go frustrate easily cause even the 1k ( without feeder traffic ) is harder to get than you might think.

I am sure you have read this already but just in case you haven't. Trade with about 5 to 10 other sites, same niche and similiar size initially. From time to time drop the worst 5 and swap new traders until your traffic stablize and grow without buying any traffic. Then just keep an eye on it, when you see a lot of clicks are going to the extra out slot. Its time to add more traders and repeat the process again and again.

Of course that is just the theory, the real deal you will have to learn as you go along.

Hope it helps a little.

PS. Since your site is comus, SixZero is the expert of how comus sites grows and I am sure he can advise you more if you manage to contact him. Oh and don't be afraid to add more keyword related phases to your new warning page

[sk1pp]

Thank you again for your info. I have heard that before and that is what I am initially stumped on...by signing up to site of similar size, that is referring to the number of hits it receives correct? Or is it size as in, similar number of pages and content.

If it is hits, right now I'm not really getting any, but working on some ways to get some slowly coming in. Yea that first 1k is tough, I think I have a path I want to take once I get that far, I will be able to force a bitI still haven't submitted to search engines and the like as well.

Well, buying traffic is becoming more appealing to me, but there is a lot to choose from. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Chokertraffic seems stand out, so I will look into them when I'm ready to make a move.

Well, I'll be hording a bit more info before I make a move, will keep things updated.

[rhino]

Trade with sites of similar size, BOTH in daily traffic volume and thumb HxW size.

Similar traffic volume gives you a reasonable chance to appear on your trade partners top list, and the higher you rank on their toplist (other factors being equal) the more likely you'll get good returns on the traffic you send to the trade. Trades between small and large traffic sites usually mean the smaller volume trader gets the left-over traffic from the big site

Similar thumb size - minimizes click productivity differences. Traffic from a small thumb to bigger thumbs site will usually will click more thumbs; big thumbs to a small thumbs site usually clicks less. Most trade scripts return based on productivity, so the trades quickly dry up after any set force expires (sooner if the WMs are watching their stats, or their scripts are set to cap/disable lower productive trades)

On purchased traffic, focus on the quality of traffic (by country - to keep your trade partners happy by not sending them crap Chinese traffic from a broker's bargain basement!). Note: broker claims about productivity of traffic they are selling tend to be more sales hype than actual fact...

Tip - Don't forget the importance of adding SE indexable text to the body of your TGP, and img alt tags for all of your images (both the TGP graphics and the thumbs). SE traffic takes longer, but it's worth the extra effort... same with bookmarkers.

Rhino

[sk1pp]

Thanks Rhino, that has cleared a lot up for me. I think for bought content I am going to go with either chokertraffic or traffic-out.

The whole boomarkers thing. What exactly are bookmarks, used in this sense?

[rhino]

Visitor to your site adds your URL to their browser's "Favorites" or "bookmarks" your site for easy return.

Surfers returning to your site from a bookmark are more likely to click more of your thumbs (higher click productivity) as some trust for your site exists... at least enough for them to bookmark your page on a previous visit.

Rhino

[trulymadly]

Yeah, Rhino is Da Man

I remember when I ran TGP before, I learnt a lot from Rhino too

BTW love your new avatar Rhino, now I got to think of one for myself.

[StickyGreen]

Don't forget about SEO...

It's hard to grow TGPs these days without some external traffic like SE traffic. The bought traffic obviously does this but it doesn't last forever (unless you're rich already or something).

[fdtdchopper]

[sk1pp]

Thanks for the resources fdtdchopper. I lost my internet connection so I haven't been able to reply and thanks everybody for their help.

That does seem to be the case based on my readings so far StickyGreen. Any pointers for TGP pages for good site ranking.

And thank you again Rhino, the bookmarks was the same thing.

I will put all of what I have learned here into practice. Thanks again everybody!