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Juk



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:15    Post subject: 'Invisible' Text Reply with quote

If you have a text navigation menu in which the links are coloured white, and the background is also white (for design purposes), would the search engines automatically penalise this?

The links will be visible to humans, and the menu is fully purposeful and functional. But for the sake of the design, both the colour of the text and background have to be set to white using CSS.
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Angel



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it would likely attract a penalty.
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Naikiss



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can it it be white text on a white background and still be visile to humans??
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Angel



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that it's not always visible, but is sometimes made visible when a person does something - sort of like a flyout menu.
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Juk



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has a flash object behind it, which has a contrasting colour. See http://testing.duncanhall.net/robwell_recordings/ for what I wanted to do.

I thought I'd come up with a fairly ingeneous way of making an SEO friendly flash menu, but I guess it's not gonna be worth it now.
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Epox



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

what if you used dhtml to change the color of the text? it could be a contrasting color to white when the page loads and then quickly change colors?
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Angel



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like a plan. But do all browsers support it?
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Naikiss



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

just make sure they do not have the same code, try white and an off white, make it allmost invisible
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Juk



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I know not having high contrast is against the law as some divises dont use the CSS file. All text on every site you create should have high contrast. And all "design" will be placed in CSS.
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Angel



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not quite sure what you're getting at - the "devices that don't use CSS" won't read any of the declarations setting text and background colour to white, so it wouldn't be an issue; the text would revert to the default black colour.

The "laws" you talk about breaking I assume are the accessibility guidelines, to which everything conforms, and yes, all my design elements are within the css file.


Epox cheers for the DHTML idea, I'll have a look into it but it feels like it's all going to be a bit too much of a palava for what started as a simple idea.
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Juk



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

DHTML was Microsoft's baby, and you may find that other browsers don't support it.
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Epox



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PostPosted: 05 Oct 2006 15:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

cross browser compatibility = fun!
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